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PostSubject: Has Kalia said anything about Porsche Shelly voting to evict her?   Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:27 pm

Sorry to post and run but I have to leave the house for the night so I'll check back when I get home but I just got to thinking. Has Kalia said anything about the fact that both Shelly and Porsche voted to evict her? It was Rachel/Jordan and Adam that voted to keep her. It's just interesting that I haven't seen any mention of a discussion about this. It sucks this was double eviction because after the vote, Dani would have still been evicted but Jeff/Jordan/Rachel could have talked to Kalia and said hey these people voted to evict you. Maybe they could have gotten her to switch sides so they lost Shelly but could replace her with Kalia Instead it was so fast I don't think Kalia even got to think about her noms and the fact that she put up the people who voted to keep her and she is now alligned with those who voted her out. Ok, discuss! See y'all later tonight!
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PostSubject: Re: Has Kalia said anything about Porsche Shelly voting to evict her?   Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:29 pm

That is a GREAT point Wembley, and something I have been wondering about as well. After the first HOH she immediately ran to everyone that had just voted her out. But, I don't think it has ever really been discussed, other than Porsche making a fairly lame comment about voting for Dani because she knew Kalia was safe.
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PostSubject: Re: Has Kalia said anything about Porsche Shelly voting to evict her?   Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:46 pm

it's a game, you stick to who will get you farther in the game. with jeff and jordan, you are playing for third place and everyone except adam realizes that. from kailia's perspective, she has a 1 in 3 chance with shelly and porsche. with jordan, rachel and adam didn't vote to save kailia, they voted to evict dani.
moving foward, porsche voted to keep the player she felt would help her game, kalia can't be mad at that. it wasn't her choice to pick between them, it was a rock and hard place. imo it's only jeff and jordan who make everything personal.
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PostSubject: Re: Has Kalia said anything about Porsche Shelly voting to evict her?   Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:51 pm

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it's a game, you stick to who will get you farther in the game. with jeff and jordan, you are playing for third place and everyone except adam realizes that. from kailia's perspective, she has a 1 in 3 chance with shelly and porsche. with jordan, rachel and adam didn't vote to save kailia, they voted to evict dani.
moving foward, porsche voted to keep the player she felt would help her game, kalia can't be mad at that. it wasn't her choice to pick between them, it was a rock and hard place. imo it's only jeff and jordan who make everything personal.


I could not disagree with you more. Kalia, Porsche and Shelly have said over and over that anyone would win against Rachel in the end and she would never have the votes to win. Yet their biggest goal has to been to get out Rachel. Not one of them wanted to team up with her, although they all thought they could beat her. If that is not purely personal, I honestly don't know what is.
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PostSubject: Re: Has Kalia said anything about Porsche Shelly voting to evict her?   Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:29 am

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it's a game, you stick to who will get you farther in the game. with jeff and jordan, you are playing for third place and everyone except adam realizes that. from kailia's perspective, she has a 1 in 3 chance with shelly and porsche. with jordan, rachel and adam didn't vote to save kailia, they voted to evict dani.
moving foward, porsche voted to keep the player she felt would help her game, kalia can't be mad at that. it wasn't her choice to pick between them, it was a rock and hard place. imo it's only jeff and jordan who make everything personal.


I could not disagree with you more. Kalia, Porsche and Shelly have said over and over that anyone would win against Rachel in the end and she would never have the votes to win. Yet their biggest goal has to been to get out Rachel. Not one of them wanted to team up with her, although they all thought they could beat her. If that is not purely personal, I honestly don't know what is.


Exactly. I think people are psyching themselves out about Jeff and Jordan. Even if you had a F4 deal with them, who is to say they will make it to F2? They aren't going to win EVERY comp (well maybe against Adam or Shelly LOL) And I agree, in many ways it is a safer bet for Kalia to be with Porsche and certainly Shelly who is now the house pariah (She's reminding me of whatshis name Ronnie I think? Who got called out and then hid in the HOH room crying and then got voted out next. Deja vu Shelly!) I'm just saying, that maybe with time they could have worked on her. I know their goal was to get Dani OUT not because they cared about keeping Kalia IN. BUT I just wonder how much Kalia knows about how hard Dani campaigned against her and that Shelly and Porsche tried so hard to keep Dani that they weren't even thinking about Kalia AT ALL and were even willing to work with RACHEL to make a deal. I'd be a little offended at LEAST if I were Kalia and knew that they were willing to work with Rachel just to keep Dani and meanwhile it was fuck Kalia, they never even said anything about Kalia, didn't take into consideration her feelings or her game at ALL. There has just been so much focus on Shelly's betrayal of Jordan and Jeff that I don't think Kalia has really sat down and thought about what that whole betrayal included. If Rachel could just let slip how they snuck into the storage room to talk all about how they were going to do a switcheroo and then say oh, no, sorry Kalia your name never even came up. But don't worry, I was never going to do it anyway. I wanted to keep YOU over Dani. Etc. Just at least give her a few doubts about her alliance. Rachel is a freaking master at dropping those kind of little bombs as if she didn't mean to. And yeah, it is TOTALLY personal. They all say they aren't there to make friends, well then you want to be sitting next to Rachel in the end. Jeez, I know she is overemotional but heck I've put up with way worse than her for YEARS over the course of different jobs I've had. Rachel wouldn't phase me at all. Plus, unlike Jordan, I wouldn't be trying to calm her down all the time, I'd be sitting back letting her paint a bigger target on her back. Kalia/Porsche F2 it's a 50/50 who knows who would win. Kalia/Rachel she would actually still probably lose but I would think that since she/Porsche/Dani hate Rachel so much she would think that she would win. I just want to see her face once she realizes that Porsche and Shelly were making back alley deals all over the house for two good full days after Kalia had spent a lot of time comforting Dani and telling her she wished it wasn't them up against each other, etc. etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Has Kalia said anything about Porsche Shelly voting to evict her?   Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:59 am

Truthfully...I don't think Kalia would care even if she did stop and think about it. I mean, after all...this is the great and powerful Dani we are talking about here. This is the person who they are still playing for even tho she isn't even in the house. I mean, they kiss her pic on the memory wall! Why not ask the DR for some candles and balloons and build a damned shrine and be done with it!! Dani gave that big speach about how everyone was falling all over themselves to write Jeff and Jordan a check. Well she was wrong...Kalia and Porsch and in the end Shelly were falling over themselves to write DANI a check. If any one of those idiots thought for a hot second that they could beat Dani at the end no matter HOW many comps they ended up winning after the woke up on Day 55...they are more stupid than even I thought!! And for someone who criticized others for not keeping her because they were helping J/J get to the end...she sure as hell promised everyone and their brother that she would get THEM to the end. Let's see...she was never ever EVER going to put up Shelly, Adam, Porsche, and Rachel if they would have voted for her to stay. So what...she was going to stay in the game just until Jeff and Jordan were gone and then DOR since she had deals to not put any of the rest of them up??

Yeah...I honestly and truthfully think that Kalia is too blinded by hero worship for Dani to see the lengths that Dani went to to try and stay in the game without giving her (Kalia's) feelings even a passing thought. I get that she had to campaign, and I get that Porsche had to choose between her two besties and didn't have a choice about that...but Porsche didn't just choose...she became Dani's campaign manager. I have to admit I found it ironic that when Kalia won that HoH...she ran off arm in arm to talk strategy with the ONLY TWO PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE THAT VOTED HER OUT!! And then who did she put up? The person who put Dani up and fought then to keep Kalia safe and the person who was promised the world by Dani and in the end, refused to flip. I really hope they all watch the show and realize what a bunch of idiots they looked like following Dani around and licking her boots. (Although, she DID have that one really COOL pair of boots....)
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PostSubject: Re: Has Kalia said anything about Porsche Shelly voting to evict her?   Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:36 am

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TERRASTAR18 wrote:
it's a game, you stick to who will get you farther in the game. with jeff and jordan, you are playing for third place and everyone except adam realizes that. from kailia's perspective, she has a 1 in 3 chance with shelly and porsche. with jordan, rachel and adam didn't vote to save kailia, they voted to evict dani.
moving foward, porsche voted to keep the player she felt would help her game, kalia can't be mad at that. it wasn't her choice to pick between them, it was a rock and hard place. imo it's only jeff and jordan who make everything personal.


I could not disagree with you more. Kalia, Porsche and Shelly have said over and over that anyone would win against Rachel in the end and she would never have the votes to win. Yet their biggest goal has to been to get out Rachel. Not one of them wanted to team up with her, although they all thought they could beat her. If that is not purely personal, I honestly don't know what is.


no it isn't, rachel is a lose cannon, even jeff said that. dani tried to make an alliance with her twice and stabbed her in the back both times. it makes no sense overly thinking about the final 2, when that's weeks away. why would keep someone who is trying to get rid of you. the problem with this game is ppl plan to far deep into the game. as most you can plan for a week or two. that's what gt jeff and dani in trouble.
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PostSubject: Re: Has Kalia said anything about Porsche Shelly voting to evict her?   Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:45 am

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Truthfully...I don't think Kalia would care even if she did stop and think about it. I mean, after all...this is the great and powerful Dani we are talking about here. This is the person who they are still playing for even tho she isn't even in the house. I mean, they kiss her pic on the memory wall! Why not ask the DR for some candles and balloons and build a damned shrine and be done with it!! Dani gave that big speach about how everyone was falling all over themselves to write Jeff and Jordan a check. Well she was wrong...Kalia and Porsch and in the end Shelly were falling over themselves to write DANI a check. If any one of those idiots thought for a hot second that they could beat Dani at the end no matter HOW many comps they ended up winning after the woke up on Day 55...they are more stupid than even I thought!! And for someone who criticized others for not keeping her because they were helping J/J get to the end...she sure as hell promised everyone and their brother that she would get THEM to the end. Let's see...she was never ever EVER going to put up Shelly, Adam, Porsche, and Rachel if they would have voted for her to stay. So what...she was going to stay in the game just until Jeff and Jordan were gone and then DOR since she had deals to not put any of the rest of them up??

Yeah...I honestly and truthfully think that Kalia is too blinded by hero worship for Dani to see the lengths that Dani went to to try and stay in the game without giving her (Kalia's) feelings even a passing thought. I get that she had to campaign, and I get that Porsche had to choose between her two besties and didn't have a choice about that...but Porsche didn't just choose...she became Dani's campaign manager. I have to admit I found it ironic that when Kalia won that HoH...she ran off arm in arm to talk strategy with the ONLY TWO PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE THAT VOTED HER OUT!! And then who did she put up? The person who put Dani up and fought then to keep Kalia safe and the person who was promised the world by Dani and in the end, refused to flip. I really hope they all watch the show and realize what a bunch of idiots they looked like following Dani around and licking her boots. (Although, she DID have that one really COOL pair of boots....)


it's a game, so why would she care, none of the ppl in the house are her best friends. you let bygones be bygones. it's better for her game to side with ppl where she is the boss instead of jj-shelly 2.0.
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PostSubject: Re: Has Kalia said anything about Porsche Shelly voting to evict her?   Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:49 am

Wait, the whole argument for getting Jeff out was based on J/J being in the final two. So, it is ok for them to play based on final two, except when it comes to Rachel? I believe that Rachel is the only one left that has always voted for her original alliance. So much for being a loose cannon.
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PostSubject: Re: Has Kalia said anything about Porsche Shelly voting to evict her?   Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:14 am

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Wait, the whole argument for getting Jeff out was based on J/J being in the final two. So, it is ok for them to play based on final two, except when it comes to Rachel? I believe that Rachel is the only one left that has always voted for her original alliance. So much for being a loose cannon.

that wasn't the only argument to why they had to get jeff out, he had his puppets doing his bidding. with rachel, she is a loose cannon, just look at all she's did over two seasons in the game. again rachel when on the block with no hesistation threw porsche, her loyal puppet under the bus for no reason to try to save herself. rachel doesn't get along with kalia or shelly, how would that possible f2 make it tht long in either scenario.
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PostSubject: Re: Has Kalia said anything about Porsche Shelly voting to evict her?   Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:18 am

How did Rachel throw Porsche under the bus? Do you mean the same Porsche that has been stealing Rachel's things and told her that saving Brendon would do nothing for her? Again, you seem to have two sets of acceptable behavior, one for the MgA and one for everyone else. I will say it again, Rachel is the only person in the house that has never gone against their original alliance. Talk is one thing, votes are another.
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PostSubject: Re: Has Kalia said anything about Porsche Shelly voting to evict her?   Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:31 am

yahtzami wrote:
Truthfully...I don't think Kalia would care even if she did stop and think about it. I mean, after all...this is the great and powerful Dani we are talking about here. This is the person who they are still playing for even tho she isn't even in the house. I mean, they kiss her pic on the memory wall!


Now that you put it that way I think you are right. I loved it when Jordan said "you all think Dani is GOD." Again, not playing for themselves but for her. They have a blind spot when it comes to her.
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PostSubject: Re: Has Kalia said anything about Porsche Shelly voting to evict her?   Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:04 pm

Wembeley wrote:
Sorry to post and run but I have to leave the house for the night so I'll check back when I get home but I just got to thinking. Has Kalia said anything about the fact that both Shelly and Porsche voted to evict her? It was Rachel/Jordan and Adam that voted to keep her. It's just interesting that I haven't seen any mention of a discussion about this. It sucks this was double eviction because after the vote, Dani would have still been evicted but Jeff/Jordan/Rachel could have talked to Kalia and said hey these people voted to evict you. Maybe they could have gotten her to switch sides so they lost Shelly but could replace her with Kalia Instead it was so fast I don't think Kalia even got to think about her noms and the fact that she put up the people who voted to keep her and she is now alligned with those who voted her out. Ok, discuss! See y'all later tonight!


It was more like a vote against Dani instead of a vote for Kalia and Kalia understood that.
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PostSubject: Re: Has Kalia said anything about Porsche Shelly voting to evict her?   Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:14 pm

Wembeley wrote:
yahtzami wrote:
Truthfully...I don't think Kalia would care even if she did stop and think about it. I mean, after all...this is the great and powerful Dani we are talking about here. This is the person who they are still playing for even tho she isn't even in the house. I mean, they kiss her pic on the memory wall!


Now that you put it that way I think you are right. I loved it when Jordan said "you all think Dani is GOD." Again, not playing for themselves but for her. They have a blind spot when it comes to her.


Jordan was following Jeff around and she didnt mind having Shelly for a puppet until Shelly turned.
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PostSubject: Re: Has Kalia said anything about Porsche Shelly voting to evict her?   Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:46 pm

Wembeley wrote:
yahtzami wrote:
Truthfully...I don't think Kalia would care even if she did stop and think about it. I mean, after all...this is the great and powerful Dani we are talking about here. This is the person who they are still playing for even tho she isn't even in the house. I mean, they kiss her pic on the memory wall!


Now that you put it that way I think you are right. I loved it when Jordan said "you all think Dani is GOD." Again, not playing for themselves but for her. They have a blind spot when it comes to her.


I second that! Porsche absolutely did the right thing for her game in not using the veto, but it drove me nuts when she said she couldn't use because that's what Dani would want her to do. I wanted to puke when she said that. Dani is gone, Porsche and Kalia need to play for themselves and stop worrying about what Dan would want!! I could understand if Jordan or Rachel said that because Jeff and Brendon are their bf/fiance' in real life. But, I think even Jeff and Brendon would want Jordan and Rachel to play for themselves and do what's best for them rather than worry about what Jeff wants or what Brendon wants. That's my opinion anyways........
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