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PostSubject: Re: Paul's plan of the week   Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:51 pm

I can't believe what I'm reading, the plan if Cody is safe is to send either Mark or Elena home, but they won't confer about it, just have everyone vote however they want to and not tell anyone. Just see where the votes falls. Of course everyone is eating that up but you know that if that ends up being the case he will be pushing to send Mark home and keep his little sheep.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul's plan of the week   Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:25 pm

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I can't believe what I'm reading, the plan if Cody is safe is to send either Mark or Elena home, but they won't confer about it, just have everyone vote however they want to and not tell anyone.  Just see where the votes falls.  Of course everyone is eating that up but you know that if that ends up being the case he will be pushing to send Mark home and keep his little sheep.

Alex pushed back against that pretty HARD. She said if they don't get Cody, Elena HAS TO go home. Paul then changed his tune that he wants to at least not tell Mark and Elena who is going home, everyone just be noncommittal to drive them crazy. Here again, this is nonsense. It is not necessary. You have a person who just won HOH and is saving your ass once again and you are going to push your OWN agenda in order to keep what you believe to be a more well-behaved sheep? This is where Paul gets stupid.

Of course his biggest thing will be that Cody and Mark are teaming up, and he will "see" and "hear" evidence of it.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul's plan of the week   Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:14 pm

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I can't believe what I'm reading, the plan if Cody is safe is to send either Mark or Elena home, but they won't confer about it, just have everyone vote however they want to and not tell anyone.  Just see where the votes falls.  Of course everyone is eating that up but you know that if that ends up being the case he will be pushing to send Mark home and keep his little sheep.

Alex pushed back against that pretty HARD.  She said if they don't get Cody, Elena HAS TO go home.  Paul then changed his tune that he wants to at least not tell Mark and Elena who is going home, everyone just be noncommittal to drive them crazy.  Here again, this is nonsense.  It is not necessary.  You have a person who just won HOH and is saving your ass once again and you are going to push your OWN agenda in order to keep what you believe to be a more well-behaved sheep?  This is where Paul gets stupid.

Of course his biggest thing will be that Cody and Mark are teaming up, and he will "see" and "hear" evidence of it.  

Exactly, he will play it off early but as the week goes on he would be all about why Mark needs to go. Alex would eventually cave, she always does. Not to mention, it would be just like last week. Let her have her target, but rally the others to what it is that he wants.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul's plan of the week   Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:14 pm

Paul's new plan (partly to appease Alex's saltiness about the veto punishment) is to make Elena sweat that she might be going home and to make Cody believe he is staying then blindside him on Thursday night. I am sure that Paul is probably planning on telling him right before eviction that "the others" backed out and he couldn't do anything about it because he is gong to be concerned about the jury vote.

He also wanted to drop a "bomb" on Cody about him campaigning to stay with the plan to take out Paul. Alex kind of hedged on this because it outs her as telling him, so not sure how he is going to get her on board with that part, but I am sure he will figure it out.

I have also been wondering why he keeps stringing Elena along telling her to trust him over and over. I thought maybe it was just in case she won HOH, but now he seems to be trying to take the target off of her and plant it squarely on Kevin and Mark. He didn't like that Kevin grew a brain and tried to keep them safe in case Cody won HOH, and the fact that Kevin refuses to just shit on people who are leaving the game (Ramses, Jess, now Cody). He gets mad that Kevin continues to talk to people, even on a human level when they are supposed to be isolated.

So I am thinking that he is hoping to push out Kevin and Mark and pull Elena in to be his new Kevin because when he was doing "damage control for the group" with her last week, she basically told him that she would never vote against him on the block, even against Mark, and he already has her vote in the jury house for sure. Guess she was pretty smart to trust him after all, huh. She won't be sitting next to him at the end, but she will surely get further this way.

So, I am assuming once he figures out how to get Alex to be okay with him dropping the bomb on Cody, then Elena will feel better. He will then become unattached from Christmas and tell Elena to watch his plan work. So once Cody leaves this week, the only concern Paul would have in the next HOH would be Mark, but Paul will just use Elena to control Mark should that happen.

I can't believe at this point I have to pin my hopes on Mark trying to shake shit up, but that is all that is left. So in other words, the season is done it is just a matter of the order of evictions at this point.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul's plan of the week   Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:28 pm

First off, they are not going to "blindside" Cody no matter how much they believe they will. If Cody is on the block, he expects to be leaving.

Paul is trying to pull Elena in because he knows she will do whatever he tells her to do at anytime. If he doesn't need her as a number, he will leave her out of the loop, but if he does need her, he will reel her in and tell her things to make her feel comfortable. She's that easily manipulated. He wants Mark out because Mark has started winning comps and knows its just a matter of time before Mark grows a pair and makes a move on him.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul's plan of the week   Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:09 pm

The plan is moving forward to paint the target on Kevin. Paul is even thinking of calling Kevin out. Of course when Kevin enters the room after Jason gave him a heads up that people didn't think he was "happy enough" about Cody going on the block, Paul switches it to Kevin is being taken in by Cody. People lie all the time about things to stay in the house and Cody is probably lying about having a kid or his brother dying and all of that. Paul will make sure a few more ducks are in a row before he calls him out because he has to remember that Kevin has a few tidbits of information to spread around as well.

I can see a conversation with Christmas when her and Paul are released from the attachment coming where he just might confess to her that he took the $25,000 and that is why Paul gave him the friendship bracelet and Paul told him to NEVER reveal it to anyone in the house. Then Paul went on to lie to everyone and say it was Ramses. He might also admit to the vote and the fact that Paul put him up to it and then forced him to lie about it saying it was a game move. I think Paul just might regret turning on Kevin this quickly, or at least I hope so.

Now I am waiting for Paul to call Cody out about his daughter and his brother, and that is when Elena (and I believe Mark knows too) can vouch for the fact that he mentioned his daughter and brother early on to them but didn't want it shared so nobody could ever use his daughter as a weapon against him and bring her into the game at all. And I hope this happens in a group of people where Paul is standing there looking stupid.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul's plan of the week   Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:33 am

So I was listening to Paul and Alex have an "AMF" meeting (this is their final 2 alliance name, adios motherfuckers, but production doesn't let them use it for obvious reasons).

Paul starts off with Kevin is shady as shit and he needs to go as soon as possible. Paul says he has Christmas and Josh "tied" and Alex has Jason. He says THEY have Matt and Raven who believe it will be the final 5 with them minus Christmas and Josh. He says the hit list is Cody, Mark, Kevin and Matt. She questions a bit. He clarifies that Kevin is shady and has been holding back. If he gets spooked he could pull off an HOH and might take a shot at their 3 (apparently her, Jason and Paul), because that is what he is supposedly screwing around with at this point.

Then Paul graciously gives Alex an option of Matt before Kevin and she thinks that might be better, but they drop that point. They are talking about how to make people targets to tie it all together. Paul then says that once Matt is gone Raven will attach to him. But funny thing missing from this entire conversation is Elena. Hmmm, suddenly she went from public enemy #1 to completely under the radar and Alex doesn't even pick up on that, or at least doesn't verbalize it.

So, let's look at what Paul just told her. She has Jason. He has Christmas and Josh, will have Raven when Matt leaves and obviously after this week Elena is not going to be team Alex by no stretch of the imagination. So, when she is on the block next to Jason or Paul, where are her votes going to come from to keep her in the game? Paul? If he is on the block how many votes does HE have behind him............by my count 5 right now, and he loses NONE in the next 2 evictions.

Alex and Jason have been laughing about Cody's pitch that the 3 of them could move through the house if she would have put up Raven or Josh and sent Matt home. They said it would be ridiculous to try to play the game to the end with only 2 people who have your back. Okay, so it is better for them to play with only 1 person to have their back?

It is impossible to me that she is not seeing this shit coming. She is a numbers person and maybe she got herself boxed in and can't save Cody, but this hit list has got to bother her at least a little bit. She doesn't even voice anything to Paul like, what about Elena, she is going to be gunning for me, etc.

I swear there is something in the water in this house. And I hope they keep putting the screws to Mark, who is now on an island because even Elena is jumping on the Mark bashing bandwagon and leaving him out to dry with others. Sure she is on the block, but she doesn't need to be contributing to the shitting on him they way she has been. Maybe, just maybe he will win this HOH and take a serious shot at these dipshits so some true colors come out, namely Paul being exposed a bit more.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul's plan of the week   Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:54 am

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The plan is moving forward to paint the target on Kevin.  Paul is even thinking of calling Kevin out.  Of course when Kevin enters the room after Jason gave him a heads up that people didn't think he was "happy enough" about Cody going on the block, Paul switches it to Kevin is being taken in by Cody.  People lie all the time about things to stay in the house and Cody is probably lying about having a kid or his brother dying and all of that.  Paul will make sure a few more ducks are in a row before he calls him out because he has to remember that Kevin has a few tidbits of information to spread around as well.  

I can see a conversation with Christmas when her and Paul are released from the attachment coming where he just might confess to her that he took the $25,000 and that is why Paul gave him the friendship bracelet and Paul told him to NEVER reveal it to anyone in the house.  Then Paul went on to lie to everyone and say it was Ramses.  He might also admit to the vote and the fact that Paul put him up to it and then forced him to lie about it saying it was a game move.  I think Paul just might regret turning on Kevin this quickly, or at least I hope so.

Now I am waiting for Paul to call Cody out about his daughter and his brother, and that is when Elena (and I believe Mark knows too) can vouch for the fact that he mentioned his daughter and brother early on to them but didn't want it shared so nobody could ever use his daughter as a weapon against him and bring her into the game at all.  And I hope this happens in a group of people where Paul is standing there looking stupid.

Oh yeah, both will happen, the Cody thing just before he goes out.

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PostSubject: Re: Paul's plan of the week   Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:09 pm

Paul is making the same mistake he made last season, he's pissing off jury members. We already know Cody will not vote for him, he is alienating Mark. He is very close to flipping on Kevin and Matt and Raven, once these people are in jury and realize how he wronged them, there is a lot of potential for them to be bitter jurors and not give him the win, just like last season, no matter how much he deserves it
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PostSubject: Re: Paul's plan of the week   Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:58 pm

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Paul is making the same mistake he made last season, he's pissing off jury members.  We already know Cody will not vote for him, he is alienating Mark.  He is very close to flipping on Kevin and Matt and Raven, once these people are in jury and realize how he wronged them, there is a lot of potential for them to be bitter jurors and not give him the win, just like last season, no matter how much he deserves it

Yep, and that will be the ONLY silver lining of this season for sure. Actually I believe that Cody will still vote for him to be honest unless he is sitting next to Alex. Cody and Jess talked about it before she left, they both said as much as it would make them sick, they would have to vote for him at the end because he is running the house week in and week out.

And as much as these assholes are sheep, I do believe if he continues to send people out by making a big scene to paint a target on the their back and shitting on them the week they leave, he may not get any votes except from Alex and Cody, and possibly Jason if Alex is still holding his nuts and telling him what to do in the jury house too.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul's plan of the week   Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:01 pm

Well we know that Mark and Kevin are the new targets for the week. Mark has shown that he can win comps, so I wonder if they will want to use the backdoor instead?

If the rumor is true and Christmas is HOH, how will she want to accomplish this goal? Will she really be bold enough to put Kevin on the block the way she slinks up on him and thinks he would never turn on her? Plus in their mind they always want to make sure the targets don't win veto, but if you put up 2 pawns at this point, Mark wins and doesn't use it, then one of the 2 pawns go home. Who is expendable to her?

Obviously Matt and Raven are expendable, but if you put them up that puts 2 of the weakest players in the house on the block to play against Mark if he gets picked, and Christmas probably won't be able to play either. That makes Mark's path to safety a lot easier.

Josh refused to use her as a pawn, so will she do the same? And he is not the best competitor either. Paul is this supposed "comp beast" (in his mind anyway), but there is no way he is going up there even though he is safe on the block against anyone with these idiots.

Will she use Alex and Matt? What happens if Mark wins veto and doesn't use it? Matt would go home, but how does Paul square that one with Raven. She is not a threat, but she IS a vote for him both in the house and in jury, so will she be so loyal after that? In essence Paul could be losing 2 votes right there both in the house and in jury.

The smart move is to put up both of your targets, in this case supposedly Kevin and Mark and one of them is going home because you control enough of the votes. But I don't see Paul or Christmas being okay with a straightforward, play the game kind of plan, they will want something elaborate. I just hope it blows up in their face.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul's plan of the week   Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:19 pm

I hope they do try a backdoor plan. It is always foolish to do so at this point in the game. 6 people play for veto, the HoH, the two noms and 3 randomly chosen ones. There are 9 people left in the house, which means that the odds of someones name being drawn is far greater now than it was before the double eviction.

You need to put your targets up and hope for the best. This could also be a dangerous HoH for Christmas since she will have a hard time competing in veto.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul's plan of the week   Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:28 pm

I thought about this and I can see how Paul comes out okay, which is the ONLY important thing in the house, right?

He will tell Matt and Raven he TRIED to get Christmas not to use them as pawns, but if he pushed too hard Christmas might figure out about their final 3 deal. He will do much the same with Mark, but it will be more like pointing out that he had that beef with Christmas and then Elena called her out and it is "all about perception" in this house. He wants to help Mark, but he can't mess up his own game to do it.

The Kevin part, I don't know unless he tells Kevin that Josh spilled the beans about the money and he warned Kevin not to tell anyone or it would get out and hurt him in the game.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul's plan of the week   Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:44 pm

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I thought about this and I can see how Paul comes out okay, which is the ONLY important thing in the house, right?

He will tell Matt and Raven he TRIED to get Christmas not to use them as pawns, but if he pushed too hard Christmas might figure out about their final 3 deal.  He will do much the same with Mark, but it will be more like pointing out that he had that beef with Christmas and then Elena called her out and it is "all about perception" in this house.  He wants to help Mark, but he can't mess up his own game to do it.

The Kevin part, I don't know unless he tells Kevin that Josh spilled the beans about the money and he warned Kevin not to tell anyone or it would get out and hurt him in the game.

As long as he's not the HoH he will come off as the good guy. So it's perfect to have teh others do his work for him. Raven and Matt are too stupid to see it for what it is. Whisteldick and Alex still believe that whole friendship thing and taht he will not hurt his brand. Kevin is already starting to see it as is Mark.
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